Lost Dutchman Goldmine

I don't believe I have ever stepped out of line here but if I have I offer my apologys now and agree to follow the rules
Tracy L Hawkins
I don't use an alias

Chuck Rabiado, Bob Ward and Ernie Province

to whom it may concern
I know Joe personally and have found him to be a man of honor and integrity. Altho I may not agree with all of his statements he certainly has the right to air them --- is that not what this foeum is for?
Tracy Hawkins

I believe you said you read the forum
You ask for my Email address and I think I made a mistake when I gave it to you -- I have several Email accounts and I think I got them mixed -
The one I should have given you is [email protected]
sorry sir it was an honest mistake ( its hell ...

Joe
Both Chuck, Dale and Ernie stated at differant times they felt Brady had mislead them, that is why they quit the Blufff Springs search altho Dale and I checked out a few places on the side of the mountain Dale felt likely spots

I have never placed much faith in the stone maps mostly because ...

Joe
I wasn't involved directly with this search, Chuck, Ernie and Dale had ask me to go along but I was unable to go for somw reason I don't remember now.
From the information I recieved from the three later the cave was Quote" not far from Als camp and was about half way to the top of Bluff ...

You misunderstod me Joe -- The guy Terri was talking to said his grandfathers name was George Walter and had been a partner with Waltz in a claim around Prescott. She sak me to post this to see if anyone recognized the name.

A lady friend ask me to post this question -- She was in a chat room when the subject of the Lost Dutchmans mine came up . One of the people in the room claimed to have a letter from Jacob Waltz to his Great Grandfather concerning a mining claim in the Prescot area.
Does the name GEORGE WALTER ring ...

Gosh ! And I was under the impression Crazy Jake was dead ..
HE LIVES !
TLH

Thirsty

We ( Ernie and I ) were originally told they had been removed because of their condition--that aws Bull s__t because they were in excelent condition, We persisted and were told they had been remover at the request of "A Religious Order" and could be seen ,by appointment , by serouis ...

Joe

Yes , I know about the rock drawings in and around Martinez canyon----I don't think there is any doubt they are indian----
TLH

PS

I am sure I have pictures of them someplace. There are several turtles drawn on the rocks. I believe it is an old indian advertizment

' Drink at gigglin ...

Wiz

It isn't JUST the heart shape --there is also the horse and the dagger---forgit about the date --that could have been made any time after the main scrapings. The ring dating on the ironwoods would indicate an age of at least 300 years. Joe is trying to find out more about that.
TLH

Azmula

I have tried several times over the years to locate those book with no luck.
About the only thing I can tell you about them is that they were about 16" by 12 " and about 4" thick. They did not appear to be machine bound but looked to be hand bound with leather covers--the pages were not ...

Aurum

Interesting information-- I knew about the coke ovens and have been there several times I believe the town of Butte was on the north side of the river close to the mouth of Box canyon --about a mile and a hakf west of the north butte--the remains of several building were still there the last ...

Thirsty
Concerning the Doc Noss story--- I was told in the early 50's while in Korea by a sargent named Jim Crimm from Memphas Tenn that in late 1944 while in White Sands as an MP. His company was call to provide security around an opening in Victoria Peak while a group of OFFICERS carrid out a ...

Thirsty

From what you and Joe say I would think Mr Rivera's book is not the ones we found. They may be available in a library in some other city but the last time I looked--several years ago--they were NOT available at the Phoenix library.
I have been told they were still in the archives and could ...

Azmula

Thanks --It is very likely I didn't get the full title--old age is getting to me and my memory isn't as good as it once was. :lol: These books were not normal size tho --they were about 16 inches by 12 and about 4 inches thick--appeared to be hand bound with leather covers. I wounder if the ...

Thirsty
I have mentioned a couple time a set of books Ernie Province and I found at the Phoenix main library, there were two books, very big and heavy, titled " The Religious Conquest of the Americas" The first book was concerned with South America and the secod with Central America and Mexico Thes ...

Joe

Even tho I am not a hard core Dutch Hunter I am very happy you got me on this forum. The information freely given on this board would fill several books and ,hopefully. will someday fill someones bank account with the Dutchmans gold.

Who has the right clues?? I am sure I don't :D I am ...

Hummmm---another book to add to my " to look for" list

TLH

Joe
The people I talked to ( Ernie and I ) were from Northern Az Univ. in Flagstaff. We ran into them on the second or third trip Ernie had made there so it was in the mid 60's. At that time they were taking samples of the ironwood trees growing through the scraping to ringdate . I heard later that ...

Scott
My understanding is that gold can be idintified as to the area it came from, not nessarily the specfic mine if they are close and on the same vain.
Some of the stories I have heard claims the gold found under the Dutchmans bed was in rose quartz that had never been seen before. If that is true ...

Joe
Picky-picky-picky--

The clovis people wiped out or at least helped wipe out the horse,mamoth, sabertoothed cats, ground sloth and several other species---hungry varmits,
LOL I don't think those carvings go back QUITE that far in time, Quite sure the Clovis people didn't make them.
TLH

SC
Since this subject came up I have been trying to find some referance to them with no luck. I was shown the scrapings by a chap who had a claim and had sunk a shaft in the center of the heart where the arrow pointed in the early 60's. I have been back to them several times over the years and flew ...

SC

What appears to be a "7" in the picture is actualy an arrow ,curved and pointing to the center of the heart.

Yhe horse ,dagger and date are farther to the south. No question that it is a horse -- --Bobby would recognize it in a flash

TLH