Lost Dutchman Goldmine

The 2005-2006 hiking season is over. It is time for a progress report from Teamfever.

The past year was tragic for us with the death of Ellen due to natural causes. She was a very special person born with a heart defect we were not aware. She used exercise to help overcome it, which is one reason ...

We have the picture of the carved rock on another thread titled
"Stone map peer review and FYI"

Count is welcome to post it on this thread if he wishes.
Harry

"Now toss your marbles back in the circle and sit back down here with the rest of us."

What a neat attitude! Now let's accomplish something. What do you
think the Jesuits left behind? The possibiliities would include a
played out mine, a productive mine, a treasure from somewhere
else. Maybe ...

Joe,
Someone finally got your attention.

Giving you your own forum didn't do it. Telling you to shut up didn't do it.
Criticizing you didn't do it. Making fun of you didn't do it. People leaving
the forum didn't do it. Answering your posts with an exaggerated parody
of your posts finally did it ...

Nothing too personal, Joe, but I suspect you would be better received
if you would shut up about things you know little or nothing about.

"I must admit, I am clueless as to what you are talking about.
I always have been. Just trying to keep the conversation flowing."

There was an "authority" on ...

Yep,
The guy out of Florida was supposed to be here May 8. Never showed,
never called. I'm looking into the guys out of Las Vegas and our German
guy is bypassing the Florida vendor and contacting Germany directly
which is the original source of the instrument. GPR doesn't look good
after reading the ...

Jesse,
Thank you for the data point. It is a help.

If anyone else has first hand experience with
any of the technologies mentioned we would
appreciate the feedback.
Harry

Mr. Feldman,
We are researching the new "see through dirt" technologies.
We would like to know if you used any of them and did they
give any information. We are speaking of ground penetrating
radar, magnetometer, and broadband ambient RF.
Harry,
for Team Fever

"Perhaps the "Team" approach is not the best way to go at this thing. On the ground, yes. Looking for answers, maybe no."

Don’t underestimate or belittle Team Fever.

We are a unique group of people ranging in age from 30 to 64.
Country/cultural backgrounds include mainland China, Canada,
Poland ...

"No sense setting yourselves up for character assassination.
Maybe attack is a better verb."

"Not sure what that means, but..... "

Someone was about to name the person thought to be the perpetrator
of the stone map hoax.

"The "wavy line" is not something you can see. It's not a landmark.
It is ...

No sense setting yourselves up for character assassination.
Maybe attack is a better verb.

Team Fever is coming to the conclusion the trail maps are
real and the other maps probably are real therefore no one
would be involved in a hoax.

The wavy line we think is a symbol equivalent to the modern ...

Joe,
What an opening!

You would put it against your forehead to test it for us, right?

120 degrees and 55ft. is still out there. Maybe we should offer a prize.
Harry

Our stone map “destination” is on an open hillside in full view of a public
trail. There will be no pick swinging, legal or otherwise.

Next season we plan to use a metal detector, cache detector, and ground
penetrating radar, if we can get it. Ground penetrating radar is difficult
to interpret so ...

Joe,
The question was what markings on the map would be interpreted
as meaning 120 degrees and 55 feet? It has nothing to do with
your terrain or my terrain. Then again, we left you last year with
your trying to count to 18, if I remember right.

It is possible you could interpret the same markings ...

So, no takers on 120 degrees, 55 feet. Interesting.

By the way, 348/148 should have read 348/168.
A little typographical error there.
Harry

We consider every line we don’t understand as important.
We have been able to tie a physical feature to most every line
we think we understand. The wavy line should be no different.
Some provide a more dramatic photograph than the ILR.

We expect the wavy line to be a rock outline, skyline, or ...

We ended last year with two ideas. One was a bust. One was a hit.

We think there are two legs or vectors to the final destination from
the ILR. We think we understand them both. The first leg
terminates at a monument. The second is less certain.
The destination is a surprise to us. It appears to ...

Joe,
I think you are going to have to buy an issue to get the details
without error. January, 2005, Arizona Highways, page 32.
The article is mentioned on the cover.

We, personally, do not know whether the stones are a hoax.
We have tried to remain open to the possibility. We do think that if ...

For those of you that haven't read the two page spread or don't have
access: the conclusion is that the stones are of northern Arizona rock
and were made by electric tools around 1940. No analysis is made
of the markings themselves.

If I have made an error in my summary, corrections are welcome ...

We now have two ideas to work with during the coming season.
The chances of either one of them getting us further down the
trail are unknown but we do appreciate the contribution.

In our progress/no progress report next spring we expect to explain
what we tried, giving attribution for those ideas ...

Joe,
You count to 18 differently than I do. Even so we would certainly like
to find the monument next to the ILR. We suspect it has been destroyed.

I would bet that your end of trail and my end of trail are over 5 miles apart.
Certainly they are not in the same area. We are on different hunts.
Harry

We suspect your are correct that wide knowledge
of the Indian Love Rock, henceforth known as ILR
would result in its damage or destruction. That means
we can't publicize the "dots" either. One leads to the
other.

On a different note. Notice that the ILR is not a circle
within a circle as depicted ...

All,
Our first goal is to see that the carved rock is not lost to history.
The second goal is to see that it is preserved undamaged.
The two goals are contrary to each other. Any ideas about how
To achieve them both would be appreciated. For example we could
take ten interested people out there ...

This is a picture of what we believe to be the carved rock marking the end
of the Stone Map trail.

(Picture available but we need a place to upload it. A word document
including the picture was sent to the webmaster. Perhaps he needs
a different format) Any assistance in solving this problem will ...

Compliments to Lazarus for recognizing the Culteral/Historical value of
anything found in the Superstitions with a proven provenance dating
back to the 1700-1800s would far exceed any monetary value it could
possibly have.

One's story, if it survives peer review, would be worth something
if you ...