Yellow Jackets

[Cubfan64]

Mr. Fan,

As you know Tellurium is found in all types of gold deposits.

Here on the Rand Tellurium is found in combination with Pt. The structure is PtTe2. It`s name is moncheite.

In the States the most impressive example of Telluride association is the deposit of Gold in Cripple Creek, Colorado. (Lindgren and Ransome 1906)

I believe the principal ore mineral in Cripple Creek is AuTe2. Calaverite. If memory serves me they took out over 20,000,000 Oz of Gold there with a very rich section of calverite vugs in what is known as the Cresson blow out. Seems more than a 1,000,000 ounces came out of that relatively small area.

Anyway Te2 is an associated mineral with the major gold deposits in the Superstitions. It is a key mineral in LDM1 and several other deposits Jacob Walzer was involved in.

The majority being epithermal, tertiary deposits associated with hydrothermal activity. Some like to confuse that fact.

You are right about the non-geological meaning of Te2. It is all about something else. It doesn`t really matter. What is importent is done.

You know there was a major Spanish facility near Oz. It was built right on top of a holy site built by previous tenants. Imagine there are some fascinating artifacts to be found if one was inclined to use a shovel.

One might even find a very interesting tunnel.

Then of course there are all the symbols.


Klondike.

Thanks - how bout that, you really WERE talking about Tellurium

I'm not a gold prospector or "student of gold" so to speak, so I had no idea Tellurium was as common an element associated with gold as Tellurides, although I have to admit, Telluride, Colorado popped into my head right away when I saw your response.

You are right about the non-geological meaning of Te2. It is all about something else. It doesn`t really matter. What is importent is done.

I don't understand what you mean here, but then again most of this thread is laced in riddles and innuendo, so that isn't surprising

Perhaps one of these days on a trip to AZ I'll get a chance to see this Oz in person - who knows eh?

[djui5]

More info on "Te2" here:
http://www.mii.org/Minerals/phototellurium.html

[djui5]

And here is some info on Cripple Creek. Note the drawing of the ore in Arizona, remember what I said about the cake? Looks a bit like marble cake

http://www.icmj2.com/01Dec/Dec01Feature.htm

"The most impressive feature is the famed “Cresson Blowout,” near the center of the district. The Cresson Blowout is up to 500 feet in diameter and extends to depths in excess of 2,300 feet. Angular to rounded fragments of altered basalt are cemented with sericite and iron oxides."

"The ore minerals of interest are calaverite and other gold tellurides. The Cresson “Vug,” found along the periphery of the pipe at 1,200 feet, consisted of an almost solid mass of telluride ore that assayed at over 4,000 ounces of gold/ton. It had to be mined under armed guard. The stope eventually reached 400 feet in height. Open-pit and underground mining has continued, off-and-on, since its discovery in 1914. Over 22 million ounces of gold have been produced from the Cripple Creek Mining District since 1891."

[klondike]

Hello Fan,

Oh I suspect you may see Oz before you visit Arizona again.

As far as a visit goes all one has to do is believe then things become quite simple really.

In fact a picture showing a way to Oz was posted in this thread recently.

In that picture is a Spanish site. Not a mission but something far more importent. What is holy lies beneath that site.

Not the site that was discussed. It actually stands out in one of the pictures. Guess you need to know it is there though.
One might call it a yellow brick road.

Hello Randy,

Thank you for the information. One can find a bit of AuTe2 ore up on peter`s mesa. The mexican`s were quite adapt at stashing evidence of their mining operations in fractures, faults, not sure about shear zones.

They hid a lot up there. Not that it did any good.

Place looks like a tribe of gophers went crazy up there.

Wickenburg is a rich place don`t you think?


Klondike

[klondike]

Hello Cubfan, Hello Randy,

I hope you have found this information somewhat helpful.

Having said that it is time to move on. Really.

Take Care and may all your trails be happy ones.


klondike

[Cubfan64]

Hello Cubfan, Hello Randy,

I hope you have found this information somewhat helpful.

Having said that it is time to move on. Really.

Take Care and may all your trails be happy ones.


klondike

I'm sorry that I didn't get involved in all these discussions here much earlier - it's hard to connect the dots when alot of the posts have been deleted over time.

That said, good luck to you in whatever you're moving on to Klondike.

[klondike]

Hello Cubfan,

Hope things go well with you also.

When I am in Chicago I will pm you and if you like there is a great steak place at the Drake.

Lot of Arizona history in the Drake.

Klondike

[Cubfan64]

Hello Cubfan,

Hope things go well with you also.

When I am in Chicago I will pm you and if you like there is a great steak place at the Drake.

Lot of Arizona history in the Drake.

Klondike

Wish I could take you up on that offer, but I haven't lived within a reasonable driving distance of Wrigley Field (or the Drake) for 5+ years now. Company downsized and offered me a job in Massachusetts so the wife and I have a shack up in New Hampshire - nice place actually - 5+ acres with a little pond, wild turkeys, deer, fox and occasional Moose and best of all - no neighbors within viewing range It's a great little retreat to come home to after a long day of commuting back and forth to MA and work.

Perhaps there's a chance for paths to cross though - never know - I'm constantly amazed at how small the world really is at times.

If you get to Chicago, enjoy the steak and have a shot of your favorite "nectar" in honor of the adventurer and explorer in all of us for me. I love the seafood out here, but they don't know how to get or cook a good steak in the Northeast - at least I haven't found a good place for one yet.

Stay in touch as you can.
Paul

[zentull]

"5+ acres with a little pond, wild turkeys, deer, fox and occasional Moose and best of all - no neighbors within viewing range"

2 questions Paul.........


Whats a non resident permit in N.H. cost?

Is the couch comfy?

[Cubfan64]

"5+ acres with a little pond, wild turkeys, deer, fox and occasional Moose and best of all - no neighbors within viewing range"

2 questions Paul.........

Whats a non resident permit in N.H. cost?

Is the couch comfy?

Hehe Wayne - well, I know this first part will sound like sacriledge, but I gave up hunting about 20 years ago - I'm not a PETA "nut," and make no judgments on anyone who hunts, but I just decided it's not for me anymore, so.... I don't really know what a non-res permit costs

As far as the couch goes, it's real comfy, just ask my dog I'll go you one better and offer you a nice bed in the spare bedroom.

You'd be welcome here anytime

[klondike]

Hello Paul,

Thanks for the heads up. I had it in my head that you lived in Chicago.

I would keep one thing in mind about all of this. You can only see and touch that which you are ready to see and touch. Before then it is all meaningless.

Consider that the gold of the Sierra Nevada lay harmlessly in many streams and rivers for hundreds of years before the Spanish and Anglo`s came on the scene.

To the local`s the gold was simply pretty stones. To others it was many different things. Many good things and many evil things.

My point is what you see is what your mind allows you to see and once you see it is man that puts a value on it.

The Gold is simply there.

Anyway enough rambling. If your ever get to Washington check in on the Smithsonian Museum. Understand they have special items there.

Very special items.

Believe that maybe where Indiana Jones left the Arc of the Covenant.

But then again the holy grail is probably a woman. Believe she is in Paris,
buried under a subway.

Life create`s many ironies.



Klondike

[klondike]

Stone Crosses.

The Latin Heart.

Caverna Aurum.

Transeo Ecclesia.

Coronado Mesa.

Geronimo


Klondike

[klondike]

"You can lead them to water but you cannot make them drink"

Late 49er


No truer words have been spoken.

Why would symbols appear in a mine and also in a remote area of the Superstitions?

Why would the same symbols appear on one of the relics found in Tucson, The Stone Crosses, and the Trail Maps?

Why would the same symbols appear on the Latin Heart and be expressed partially in the term “Tanso Ecclesia”. To cross to the holy(church).

The symbols represent a starburst and an entrance to the holy. Only later did they take on meanings that the locals could understand.

Ouentzalcotl

Israel III


Klondike

[Joe Ribaudo]

Ben,

I will assume that you have misspelled Quetzalcoatl, which is a bit ironic.

One wonders why you keep coming back and trying to resurrect Calalus in the Superstitions, as it is long dead in Tucson. It also seems strange that you keep trying to lead.......someone, to something you have, supposedly, worked so hard and for so many years to keep secret.

I have been waiting for a few years now for the LDM material to be made public down in Georgia. Have they buried that momentous documentation in a time capsule somewhere? It was so innocuous that you offered it to our little museum in Apache Junction, and now it is hidden away in a major university. Who knew?

You must be on summer break and are just shaking the cobwebs out.

I know there is one (fairly) new newbie, who may be interested in making an appointment to meet you in the Superstitions......where you will, once again, fail to show up. If that ever changes, I think it will be wonderful.

You have mentioned a family member who is heavily involved in the Dutch Hunting Community. Anybody I know? It's never a good idea to give too many hints to something you want to keep a secret.

Is one of your many LDM locations over on Coon Bluff? Did you finally get someone to take a look?

Joe Ribaudo

[Joe Ribaudo]

An interesting sidebar to this little play is Willie Martin. Tie that name into Calalus, and you have quite a ride to look forward to.

Joe Ribaudo

[klondike]

Mr. Ribaudo,

It is always good to hear from you.

I see you are interested in a Mr. Martin. Is he now your mentor when it comes to Oz, and Calalus. I took the time to read some of his efforts today. He seems a bit confused, but if you find him helpful then good luck to you in your efforts.

One point he seemed to make about mining activites is correct however. Not the exploitation of the locals but the mining. Who knows maybe that is how the symbols got into the mine.

Good catch on Quetzalcoatl. I would think someone able to pick up such a error would also be able to distinguish a starburst from a cross. But perhaps not considering in many ways they are the same thing. That is they both illuminate the darkness. One the darkness of the human mind the other the darkness of the night.

Joe I don`t remember ever missing an appointment in the Superstitions. The only appointment that I know was missed was in Eldorado Canyon. I know that there was a shin ding planned in a good steak house in Phoenix but someone could not find the time. Think copies of two stone maps that have never been seen and some material from I believe Stella Hawkins library, would have been shared. But it is what it is.

I will be in Chicago with several associates for a while but if someone would like to visit Oz just have them pm me. We will see.

The Gatekeeper you mentioned. Oh well it doesn`t matter.

On another subject. I am sure you have seen the Stone Crosses. Do you see anything familiar on the crosses? One might find it odd to find a depiction of a treasure cave in a mountain on a cross. On the other hand a indicator of a holy place with treasure the author knew about but did not know its location might make sense. Who knows maybe it is only a hat.

Odd that the Latin on the Latin heart was commen in Europe and the Middle East around 900 A.D. Also a commen symbol on all those artifacts might spark someone to think a bit. But who knows maybe trying to determine if Jacob was a cross-dresser is more up some folks preferences.

Not really familiar with Coon Bluff but if you believe that Jacob had a mine over there I am sure he did.

Happy trail to you and yours, and give my best to all the Heidi`s.

Klondike

[Joe Ribaudo]

We left Heidi and Suzy at my mom's here in havasu with a family member, while we attended the Stoker Family Reunion in Kingman.
On Friday night she fell into my mom's pool and drowned. There was only one Heidi, and I don't need some sick game player reminding me how much I miss her.

Our conversations are trivial and over.

Joe Ribaudo

[klondike]

Mr. Ribaudo,

Sorry to hear about Heidi. She must have been special to you.

While life it is said is learning how to live with loss it is a lesson I have never really learned to deal with well.

Take Care,


Klondike

[pippinwhitepaws]

i buried pippin up on the ridge overlookin the animas river outside durango....sniveled all the way back to az...stopped in an antique store up above farmington...the old man says to me..."you look like your wife or your dog died"...all i could manage is "dog"...well...he then says" was she a good dog?...man only gets one good dog and one good woman in a lifetime...."
well...it has been ten years and i still hold that damn door open just a bit longer than i should...

god loves dogs an little children...

[Joe Ribaudo]

Pip,

My thanks for the kind words. We lived at Vallecito Lake for a good many years. Missionary Ridge was one of the places I bowhunted, as well as the area above Lemon Dam.

When Heidi was two, Carolyn and I ran out of energy trying to keep up with her play schedule and speed. We purchase Suzy to keep her running.

We put a doggie door in the slider of our bedroom. Heidi figured it out in one try. Suzy would not go thru it no matter what. After a few weeks of trying to teach her, I was laying on the floor trying to coax her to give it a try. I was getting nowhere. Heidi walks into the room and watches for a few minutes.

I say: "Heidi, show Suzy how to go through the door". Her ears perk-up, and she puts here head into the door, looks back at Suzy and takes another step. She stops and looks back at Suzy again. She takes another step so the door is resting on her hips and takes another glance back. She jumps outside and turns right around and comes back in.....tail wagging, tongue hanging out and prancing. Suzy's face is completely blank.

I say: Heidi, I don't think she got it......do it again. She goes through the exact same act all over again, and from that moment on Suzy used the door. I look up at Carolyn, who is as shocked and disbelieving as I am. "Did we just see what we saw"?

That's one of many stories about that little furball.

I guess I have had my one good dog.

Take care,

Joe

[squire0]

Pip

Was wondering if you got my PM? I went to Superior high too. Also went to Coronado in Scottsale before moving to Superior. Married a girl there and livin in north Alabama now.

Let me know

[pippinwhitepaws]

hey bud...you still around?
sent a few email...

[klondike]

Hello Cubfan,

Your Cubs did well this weekend. Won all three games against the Sox.

Several of us caught the opening game. Now if you can win a world series.

Of course the cave system under the Salt River would be nice too.


Klondike

[Cubfan64]

Hello Cubfan,

Your Cubs did well this weekend. Won all three games against the Sox.

Several of us caught the opening game. Now if you can win a world series.

Of course the cave system under the Salt River would be nice too.


Klondike

Glad you were able to catch a game - I'm envious! They're having a good season so far in 2008. It's a more well balanced team than they've had in the past with a decent mixture of power, OBP, defense, speed, etc... If Zambrano comes back healthy and we don't have any other major health "hiccups," this could be the year. That said, after 37+ years of following them, I don't get my hopes up anymore - hurts too much when they're ultimately dashed!

Sweeping the White Sox is ALWAYS welcome however - even in a losing season! Something sweet about bragging rights!

Seeing the Cubs win a WS trophy or traversing a cave system under the Salt River..... hmmmmmm............that's a thought provoking choice!!

[zentull]

Nah, hearing Harry try pronounce Kosuke Fukudome on a daily basis would of beat all.......

Our Starting Ace has 19 saves and our closer has 9 wins......funny old world isn't it?

Soriano and Zambrano getting some rest is good. Still have to boo Edmounds though......